tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7935733608737186171.post6680595925743355360..comments2024-01-26T00:39:38.920-08:00Comments on Lord Shiva Stories: iskCON is wrong 2Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08703312142295103517noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7935733608737186171.post-50653439221466084572014-08-04T23:50:15.226-07:002014-08-04T23:50:15.226-07:00What I have always experienced from these ISKON fo...What I have always experienced from these ISKON folks is they don't have a simple policy to "live and let live". One cannot go on insulting the other person's belief and think Lord Krishna is happy about it.<br /><br />I met a senior guy from ISKON and he noticed the Rudrakshas I was wearing (he didn't see Lord Venkateswara's Kalyanam pendant though) and started giving me lectures that Lord Shiva is the best devotee and the same crap and I asked him who gave the Holy Discus to Lord Vishnu and asked him to name the parents of Lord Shiva. Next time you meet one such guy, treat him as an uneducated fanatic and show him the door and don't waste your time arguing with such enlightened folks!<br /><br />I once read Prabhupada's conversation with a Christian Priest/ Father and he said Christ is Cristos and it is the same as Krista which is Krishna. Lord Christ never said he was GOD but he was HIS son! This is a simple example of how to manipulate words without thinking. <br /><br />They should be trained in Advaitha and Adi Sankaracharya's philosophy to understand that they are insulting the same GOD by degrading one form of HIS! Worst part, youngsters and even people who are not familiar with Hinduism are mislead most of the time and it is really painful to see them talk about moksha and nirvana without knowing the elementary concepts of Hinduism. <br /><br />Finally, Yadu Vijayakrishnan, in my opinion, is a highly knowledgable person and would have done a lot of reasoning and research before he posted this. Kudos for your work Yadu. <br /><br />I pray to GOD relieve people of their ignorance! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02220111645039589208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7935733608737186171.post-70051563127226637042014-04-27T18:59:43.107-07:002014-04-27T18:59:43.107-07:00Absolutely true!
I faced the same issue. The only...Absolutely true! <br />I faced the same issue. The only thing is that I wrote a similar thing in Russian on my website a while ago because this ISKKON gibberish is transmitted in Russia too and so people have a DISTORTED picture of Hinduism believing that only Krishna is Supreme without understanding a simple HINDU truth that Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are 3 aspects of the Universe and they are all equal. None of them is more important than the other.<br /><br />Moreover, for an adequate person it is easy to understand who to believe HINDUISM or a sect ISKKON. The latter appeared only in 1966 but takes its roots from the 15th century. <br />Needless to say, how old Hinduism is! <br /><br />So people must be aware of ISKKON's silly ideas completely unrelated to "proper" Hinduism, not some sort of brainwashing. <br /><br />I have another point regarding guru-disciple relationship but I will write a separate article about it.<br /><br />Once again, thanks for your work!Vic's Denhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04483645674215310997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7935733608737186171.post-40199829853417420402014-01-06T21:30:36.588-08:002014-01-06T21:30:36.588-08:00There is NO SUCH VERSE padma purana uttara khanda ...There is NO SUCH VERSE padma purana uttara khanda (U.K) 236 chap (or sometimes U.K 6.25.5-7) as quoted by iskcon sites on mayavadam. Chap (6).236 is conversation between Mrikandu Vashishta and parameshwara. For confirmation donwload Padma Purana published by the highly respected Anandashram Press in 1800s. Scan available at archive.org: https://ia801704.us.archive.org/2/items/Anandashram_Samskrita_Granthavali_Anandashram_Sanskrit_Series/ASS_131_Padma_Puranam_Part_4_-_VN_Mandalik_1894.pdf AC_PHYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16203028650856612402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7935733608737186171.post-83894314103178984792013-12-28T08:37:30.361-08:002013-12-28T08:37:30.361-08:00Fully agree with youFully agree with youAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04311979111705562407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7935733608737186171.post-751425768051940152013-10-22T09:34:04.810-07:002013-10-22T09:34:04.810-07:00In the Gaudiya tradition there is actually an echo...In the Gaudiya tradition there is actually an echo of the trinity in something called Panca Tattva. In the book Caitanya Caritamrta this is described as follows: "There is no spiritual difference between the Personalities of the Panca Tattva, for on the transcendental platform everything is absolute. Yet, varieties exist in the spiritual world, and in order to taste these spiritual varieties one should distinguish between them. Let me offer my obeisances unto Lord Sri Krsna, who has manifested Himself in five, as a devotee, expansion of a devotee, pure devotee and devotional energy." Based on this, there should be no difficulty in understanding what you are saying to be correct too. Especially when it is known that one of the five closest friends and wellwishers of Lord Caitanya was considered to be an incarnation of Lord Shiva (you may read more about it in the same book about the life of Advaita Acharya).<br /><br /> My heart goes out to any devotees that insult strongly another´s belief and I pray to Lord Shiva for his blessings and removal of obstacles of ignorance from their hearts so they may be able to understand the Truth. I am myself a worshiper of Panca Tattva and it is in that light I pray and here is why.<br /><br />It is said that Lord Caitanya has been invited by a great scholar Sarvabauma Bhatacharya who preached what is called "mayavadi" philosophy yet He calmly listened for many days and showed exemplary politeness to a person who had different understanding and only spoke after asked after which they found a common ground. When wise people converse they do it politely and respectfully and can understand and learn from each other.<br /><br />Another reason is, not so long ago, under my servant time to my Lord Gaura (Caitanya Mahaprabhu) beautiful Lingam of Shiva-Shakti (lingam with the marks that represent shakti) has been denied entrance to Gauras home (and home of Panca Tattva) by some of His devotees. I have understood that this displeased my Lord greatly who pointed out He keeps Lord Shiva by His side at that very altar and it is His requests He follows, there is a bond of mutual love and respect between Them. This has afterwards been corrected and it is known that Lord Caitanya, before visiting Lord Jagannath to whom He gave His heart, in Puri first paid obeisances and visit to Lord Shiva.<br /><br />Again, I thank you for your work and hope that your work of correction will also involve a prayer to the Lord for Vaisnava devotees so He may grant them entrance to devotion of their choice and grant them thus wisdom of understanding the Truth. humbly, sri om tat satShrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01896335671546447150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7935733608737186171.post-77554925667357936462013-10-22T09:32:27.680-07:002013-10-22T09:32:27.680-07:00Thank you so very much for this writing. I just we...Thank you so very much for this writing. I just went to read Brahma-samhita in order to understand your comments. I kindly request few minutes of your time to read my thoughts.<br /><br />I am writing all this as your quote on the results to be expected when devotees of Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva insult each other, touched my heart. I can understand displeasure some unfortunate words people say causes and that is distressing. I will split my comment in two.<br /><br /> I understand that you base your comments of ISKCON on hearsay and partial reading and do not have full insight in their philosophy, yet you had quite rightly understood some of their understandings. They do not see Brahman as the supreme. However, they do see Vishnu and Shiva as equal. Whether or not they are right, it is their belief that higher then Brahman is the personality of Godhead who is the source of Brahman and original personality from which Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva (possessing 60 of the 64 qualities of "original Godhead") originate and whom They represent.<br /><br />ISKCON itself comes in a line of Brahma sampradaya and Brahma is thought to be worshiping Krsna and sees Vishnu as His father, thus Krsna becomes the highest to respect Brahmas teachings. (They recognize 4 sampradayas, Brahma, Shiva, Shri-which relates to Vishnu and four Kumaras as bonafide)<br /><br /> In this line as a hidden incarnation arrives Caitanya Mahaprabhu who is said to have read Brahma Samhita (originally spoken by Lord Brahma) to his friends. I am very aware that this idea is controversial, but I hope we would agree that every devotee of the Lord has a right to pick what is fitting to his own relationship with God. Indeed, this is rather often thought in ISKCON too. Problem arises in the following, Gaudiya Vaisnavas believe that personal relationship with a form of God is superior to just idea of God and they believe that Krsna grants the flavour they consider "the best" thus naturally they among themselves speak in such way as to share their rasa (taste). Even here are grades of relationship thought and develop by time where some will see God as father, brother, lover, master or have a neutral relationship.<br />Shrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01896335671546447150noreply@blogger.com